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- From: Gemini2@cup.portal.com (Gary Alan Peake)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
- Date: 6 Feb 1996 18:20:24 -0800
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- >GP> >GP> And is this not what Amiga Technologies is doing? Upgrading the
- >GP> >GP>initial product and keeping it aimed at the same, first time buyers?
- >
- >GP> >A blind man has the inability to aim unless he's some sort of Zen
- >GP> >master, Gary. And without marketing, they're pushing those 1200s
- >GP> >blind.
- >
- >GP> Sheee-it!!! Market what? There's nothing to market! Amiga Technologies
- >GP> hasn't even started trying to really fill demand here in the US! Let em
- >GP> get the backorders filled and something out there to market first!
- >
- >"Nothing to market"? How about your beloved "S--fer" package? Isn't
- >that "something to market"? And I wasn't necessarily taling about only
- >NA, Gary. Read Paul's stuff about what's happening to 1200s in
- >Britain.
-
- The 'Surfer' will market itself (at least will sell the production that AT
- can get out in time for Xmas). I am talking about mass marketing, like
- national ads that you guys are saying you want. Advertise what? Hell, they
- can't even get demand filled yet. I have about ten emails right now, people
- looking for 1200's here in the States! That's not a lot of people, but
- consider that I don't have any access to them and have never proposed to?
-
- And as far as what Paul is saying about the Amiga in England, either all the
- recent mags I just bought Sunday are dead wrong or Paul is? As he said, I
- don't live there and have no idea except for what I read and what he says -
- two divergent stories I'm afraid.
-
- > GP> And we are soon to see if you and Eric or us 'apologists' are right.
- >
- > >Regrettably, the odds seem to be improving on our stance every day,
- > >Gary. Believe me, I don't want to see AT fail outright, but they seem
- > >to be setting themselves up for failure.
- >
- >GP> How so? I think that they are following their own plan right down to the
- >GP> letter and in the end we are going to have something to be proud of!
- >
- >You're defending their supposed "plan", Gary. What if that "plan" of
- >theirs happens to be flawed and dead wrong for the Amiga?
- >
- >GP> Why can't we wait till it gets here before we start bitchin'?
- >
- > >Because we're fed up with incompetence by the people who own our
- > >system, and we want to broadcast warnings prior to possible movements.
- > >Santayana, Gary...
- >
- >GP> Have you tried a personal email to any of the Amiga Technologies folks?
- >GP> One that is rational, constructive, with 'factual' information ... not
- >GP> full of inuendo's and projections?
- >
- >I would presume that even if it was rational and constructive, my name
- >is mud with Kittel and Bourdin because of these posts, and therefore a
- >letter would be a futile effort. Notice that Kittel hasn't responded
- >to that one message I posted three weeks ago.
-
- Maybe ... maybe not? I have no idea. But, I wouldn't be looking for gloom
- and doom if I were them. I would be looking for constructive criticisms that
- also offer some 'reasonable' alternatives.
- >
- > >They may do, but their Escom masters may not think that way if AT starts
- > >to cut deeply into Escom`s profits.
- >
- GP> But, have they? I don't think so ... at least, not yet!
- >
- > >Not yet. That's the point. The problem is that AT or Escom seems
- > >unwilling to put any money into marketing the Amiga. Do you think that
- > >Manfred couldn't have put out a fax to all his stores saying "Look,
- > >this system is owned by one of our subsidiaries. Display it properly
- > >and push it. If you need help with it, call the Escom HQ in your
- > >country and they'll help you."? That's virtually free marketing, but,
- > >as lots of our UK bretheren said, 1200s were languishing in boxes in
- > >Escom stores.
-
- Not 'lots' ... Paul said.
-
- >
- >GP> Jiminy Xmas, Eric!!! First the two of you whine about Escom not even being
- >GP> willing to sell Amiga computers. Dr Kittel gave you/us
- >GP> their reasons (basically the ignorance of the sales staff concerning the
- >GP> Amiga) for staying away from the Escom Stores. Too much whining and
- >GP> dancing later, Amiga Technologies gives in and tries it ... bombed out
- >GP> JUST LIKE THEY SAID IT WOULD!
- >
- >Now try to follow this skein of logic, Gary, instead of just saying
- >"Kittel said so". He isn't God, you know.
- >
- >1) Escom owns AT.
- >
- >2) It would be in Escom's own interest to promote the products of one
- >of their subsidiaries in their own stores. This is the argument that
- >some people overseas were voicing.
- >
- >3) If anyone could provide the necessary training and familiarization
- >to employees of Escom stores on an Escom product, it would be Escom,
- >wouldn't it? Training and familiarization would have helped provide
- >proper displays and demonstrations in Escom stores, and would have sold
- >more 1200s. I don't think you could argue with that point.
- >
- >4) Escom didn't bother with the training and familiarization. The 1200
- >ended up laying inside boxes in Escom stores over the Christmas sales
- >season. Could there be a connection between those two? Escom and AT
- >both said to us, "Why bother? They're not going to know about the
- >system.", and then decided to bring the product into Escom stores, thus
- >setting up the conditions for a self-fulfilling prophecy, Mystic Meg.
- >
- >5) It was in Escom's power to make certain that the product of one of
- >their subsidiaries was best presented in their own stores, yet they
- >chose not to exercise it. This is the point I was bringing up. How
- >can you defend them for that (non-) action?
-
- It happens to be that Escom and Amiga Technologies are 'related' companies
- but not dependant. Sort of like Chrysler and Dodge. Two very distinct
- individual companies trying to sell two very distinct individual items.
-
- How many Dodge stores would tell ya, 'why don't you buy that pretty Voyager
- down the street instead of this nice Caravan we have.' Nowadays dealers do
- switch buyers, but it's usually because of price in the car business. We
- might try to switch them up if they can afford more or down if they can't
- get so much financed.
-
- By the way, you really should get that quoting thing fixed? It has me saying
- everything ... even the negatives.
-
-
- Gary
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